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Mattbodom
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Hi everyone, 

I have recently got my hands on an Eloquencer along side the EME module and I'm loving it.

One thing that's baffling me though, is that I am also trying to clock and reset a Z8000 Matrix sequencer. My setup is as follows

Elektron Analog Rytm Mk2 Midi out > EME Midi in which is connected to the Eloquencer.

I then have the clock out of the Eloquencer going into the clock of the Z8000 and the Aux out of the Eloquencer going to reset in of the Z8000.

The Rytm and Eloquencer are perfectly in sync, however the Z8000 is always 1 step ahead and it starts on step 2 (Changing AUX to trigger on stop and Play high etc make no difference)

 

The only way I have managed to get around this is to use a spare track on the eloquencer to send a single gate to the Z8000 reset input at the start of each track and that works perfectly

 

If anyone has any advice it would be massively appreciated, thanks.

 

Matt

 


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dayjob
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set the aux out to "trigg reset on stop".  


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Mattbodom
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@dayjob Thanks for your reply, but this doesn't fix the issue unfortunately. The only way around for now, was to use a spare track to send a single gate at the start of the bar, into the reset of the Z8000.


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Posted by: @mattbodom

@dayjob Thanks for your reply, but this doesn't fix the issue unfortunately. The only way around for now, was to use a spare track to send a single gate at the start of the bar, into the reset of the Z8000.

that's weird. 'reset on stop' should make everything sync up so when you press play again it all starts together. what happens if you take your rytm out of the chain and make the eloquencer the main clock? 


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WinterModular
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Hi @mattbodom !
My first answer was going to be the one that @dayjob proposed, but it seems it doesn't work... 🙁
It is possible we are facing the typical event sequence issue. Some sequencers can act different depending if they receive the reset trigger before the clock or vice versa. In this case, when you press stop in your Rytm the Eloquencer sends a trigger to the Z8000, so it jumps to its first step. ( I don't know the Z8000, do you have any kind of feedback to know that this is happening?) Let's assume that this is happening, and the Z8000 is in its first step, maybe the problem is that before it receives the first clock trigger it is already in the first step, and when receives the first clock trigger it jumps to the second step.
In my case (considering the Eloquencer as slave) I do a different approach, If I receive a reset the Eloquencer goes to an imaginary step 0 and it does not jump to step 1 until it receives a clock. I think this is the best way to keep things in sync, but I understand somebody can thing the other way.
A way to check this behavior: if you have something that can easily generate gates when you want (like buttons that generate gates) try to reproduce this behavior in slow motion 🙂 You need two gate generating buttons attached to Z8000 reset and clock inputs. Press the 'clock button' to emulate the clock running and check that each time you press it, it jumps to the next step, then press the 'reset button' and see what happens, then press the first clock and see what happens.

If this is the behavior, Could you please try something ? Change the aux configuration to playH/stopL, try if it works (I assume it won't because you say you have already test this configuration also) then add a gate delay between the Eloq Aux out and the Z8000 Reset in, (if you don't have a gate delay you can use an Envelope Generator with a little bit of attack. Does it work ?


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@dayjob Thanks for the reply, it seems that the Z8000 is starting on step 2 (Step 1 being used by the reset trigger if that makes sense) Like wintermodular have also replied. Using the Eloquencer as master doesn't alter anything unfortunately.

thanks again


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Mattbodom
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@wintermodular Thankyou for the reply. yeah, it seems that the Z8000 is starting on step 2 for some reason. When i hit stop on the Eloquencer or Rytm the Z8000 jumps to step 1 and the first time the sequence is played, step 1 isn't audible so its 100% not playing step 1.

 

I have just tried what you asked (Had to use an envelope generator with slow attack) And this worked. I then tried straight from the AUX output to the Z8000 and it was starting on the 2nd step again.

What does this mean? Are there any settings on the Eloquencer that i can change to solve this? So i don't have to use a spare track from the Eloquencer or an external envelope generator?

Thanks again, i appreciate your help 🙂

EDITED: I have a Behringer system 100 173 Gate and multiple module but no manual triggers. Is there a way this could be used instead of an envelope? No attenuators on the module though

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FIXED:

Unless anyone from @wintermodular advises against it, i think i have found a fix. When setting the AUX out of the Eloquencer, on the 'Gate' option, i didn't realise that the buttons indicated where in the sequence you want to send a gate. I Now have it setup so that the AUX of the eloquencer is sending a gate on step 1 to the Z8000 instead of Track H which i was using to send a gate before. This way, all sequencing is done from ELO and leaves my tracks free and no other modules needed.

 

Perfect, not sure how i missed this, think i was focused more on the Play/stop and End settings

 

Thankyou


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WinterModular
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@mattbodom yeah ! It is a very interesting solution ! 🙂
I don't remember exactly how is programmed but the aux gates are probably delayed in relation with the clock, so you have found a solution with the same approach I was proposing ! :)) Well done !
I think this 'sort of reset' will be attached to the master track configuration.


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@wintermodular Perfect! Thankyou


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sleaztek
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Hi everyone,

Sorry for hijacking the post but i couldn't figure out how to start a new thread.

So i have the eloquncer connected to erica synth midi to clock 2 and a shuttle control from endorphine.

the erica synth and shuttle are connected to ableton and ableton is the master.

all work in sync and in time...the only issue is the eloquncer always starts from it stops and not from the 1st bit.

can anyone here maybe tell me how to set the reset maybe form the erica or even the shuttle control iv tried a few time from the divider output on the erica but it didn't really happen.

thank you.


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WinterModular
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Hi @sleaztek

There are many ways to do so.
For example, using the endorphin.es shuttle control editor choose one of the outputs and configure it as 'Synchronization > Start/Stop gate'
Send this output to the Eloquencer RESET input and configure it as playH/stopL , FUNC + OPTIONS (hold) > Reset in: playH/stopL


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sleaztek
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@wintermodular thank you,

that did the trick...u made my day!! 🤗 


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@wintermodular

I've found myself here after also struggling with the reset behavior and would like to request an option to make it so that when a trigger is received by the reset input, the sequencer immediately jumps to step 1, then proceeds to step 2 on the next clock input trigger.

The trouble is that out of 6 sequencers in my system, the Eloquencer is the only one that behaves in the way that it does. As a result, I can't set up a simple manually triggered gate to reset all of my sequencers simultaneously. Since the Eloquencer is the only one that does this, it makes sense to me that it should have an option to behave the way that most other sequencers do.

The other sequencers are:

Sinfonion

Steppy

Voltage Block

Metropolis

Trigger Riot


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WinterModular
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Hi @amillionmonkeys !

The Eloquencer treats the reset synchronously, when it receives the reset it waits the next clock pulse to jump to step 1.

I will study the possibility to implement the asynchronous reset.

thanks for the feedback!


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