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WaltzPrince
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I had a problem unit that was replaced and works now works perfectly. I've reinvigorated my investment into WM. My question is to the group-- who else would rather wait for the next stable firmware update with some of the more pressing song writing capabilities added?

As far as I can tell the essential items that are sequencer specific, not neccesarily Elo specific, that appear to missing (correct me if I'm wrong)
1. Arp mode
2. Shuffle per step
3. Unique QWERTY naming of patterns, songs, projects (projects at the very least)

4. Unquantized cv/gate with hard next step or slew/glide to each step from value (I've noticed that my last unit did glide notes when simply using Elo to pass midi from ableton but recording that as we know does not work.
5. Glide in general

I understand we can't ask for the moon and we understood the features, magic, and limitations of the device when we purchased. But if we're updating I'd rather wait for the things that we all keep asking for. At the bare minimum the list above which seems to raise eye brows when people ask "does it have that?" and I have to say no.
My eloquencer has a second expander port-- I would be willing to pay, or wait as long as determined, for another add-on that maybe sat on the bottom of my unit, or 1u tile, or simply an update, or anything really to add what we need to make this the perfect sequencer. We're so close I can taste it.
Or if it's not too much to ask does anyone in the group know how to code who can help explain how we get the necessary features, or why it is we can't get them in the next update?


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Mightycoco
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Don't know if this was already reported. The Transpose settings aren't stored, even when saving the MIDI settings.


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bitshifter
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Hi, just thought I'd chime in here re: CV IN recording. The behavior I'm seeing is very strange - its as if there is a slew on the voltage coming into the CV ins.  The best example I can think of is very straightforward: If I hook my keystep pro directly to a triggered voice, it plays perfectly.  If I hook the keystep pro up to the CV ins on the eloquencer, it seems like it takes it a bit to "catch up" with where the note is.  If I play two notes an octave apart, then they will not be correct - it's odd, if I play something like C3 C3 C4 C4 the second C3 will be the only accurate one, the first C4 will play either a C3 or note so very slightly above C3, and the second one will be C4, as it should be.  

This is weird to talk about so I'll try a (bad) text illustration:

KEYSTEP   (CV IN)     C3     C4    C4    C3    C3    C4    C4
ELOQUENCER            C3     C3+  C4    C4-   C3    C3+   C4

It's almost as if it's picking up the gate just enough before the CV - like sub-MS timing - that it's recording the prior CV, or recording it in the middle of a sub-MS transition.  

This isn't just the keystep that does this, I've used no less than 4 separate sequencers/keyboards to try this.  All behave this same way.

I think an option for a very miniscule delay before recording the CV in after receiving the gate signal may address this, if what I think is happening is actually what's happening.... It's either that, or there's some slew setting I've missed on the eloquencer itself.


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Guy Brewer
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great update. much appreciated!

getting some instability with the 24ppq clock out when changing eloquencer settings or moving between pages. some actions seem to throw the clock off and i have to reset. 

 


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David Ellis
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@guy-brewer

Is this a new update or the one that's attached to the beginning of the thread? 


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Guy Brewer
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@davide37 the one at start of link.. 


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WinterModular
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Sorry @thefuturequeen ! I was doing a deep check in the forum and I realized I never answered you message.

Thanks for the feedback ! 🙂

Posted by: @thefuturequeen

hey Eloi, using this firmware, so when i have a track on different steps 1-16 and then i change to say 1-8 with 8 being last step.. I clear the track.. the track clears on the led screen but the buttons from 9-16 on steps still on.

In which section/mode have detected this behavior ? I think I have already solved but I want to be sure.

Posted by: @thefuturequeen

Also do you know if there a way to use midi to change the track, ie say on on track A then use CC to change to track B or any other track based on CC?

It can't be done, the control CCs that I have implemented are mostly intended to have quick access to features that need some menu diving, in this case I didn't considered to add it because you can always have access through Eloquencer front panel.


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WinterModular
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Hi @waltzprince! Thanks for the feedback.

Posted by: @waltzprince

1. Arp mode
2. Shuffle per step
3. Unique QWERTY naming of patterns, songs, projects (projects at the very least)

4. Unquantized cv/gate with hard next step or slew/glide to each step from value (I've noticed that my last unit did glide notes when simply using Elo to pass midi from ableton but recording that as we know does not work.
5. Glide in general

1. Not in the 'to do' list. You are not the first to ask, but I consider that there are many other tools that can supply this feature. For example I like to use the CV in 'CV Q' feature, create a user scale that have the notes I want in the 'arpeggio,' then sending an LFO where you can change amplitude and frequency, playing with frequency, amplitude and changing scale notes in live can be very satisfying. You can use an LFO with higher frequency than the step to create interesting and complex patterns.

2. Not possible due to SW limitations.

3. It is on the 'possibly list'

4. Record all the values involved on a glide transition for 8 simultaneous tracks requires an amount of processing and memory that the processor can't afford. Do you know any eurorack sequencer that have enough resolution to record a fluid glide for 8 tracks?

5. Something similar that in point 4, at least my HW/SW can't afford this level of attention to control 8 simultaneous glides.

Posted by: @waltzprince

Or if it's not too much to ask does anyone in the group know how to code who can help explain how we get the necessary features, or why it is we can't get them in the next update?

It is impossible to explain this if you don't have the code and the hardware architecture in front of you, even having all this information and much more additional information it could be really difficult to submerge into a code that has 32.902 lines of code. When I have time to fix/clean the code I will released it open, because if I release it now, nobody will understand anything. Maybe then, somebody will be able to do the glide and I will be be very happy. 🙂

 


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WinterModular
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Many thanks for the feedback @mightycoco ! 🙂

Posted by: @mightycoco

Don't know if this was already reported. The Transpose settings aren't stored, even when saving the MIDI settings.

It is solved for the next update !


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WinterModular
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Hi @bitshifter ! Many thanks for the detailed description/feedback.

In theory a sequencer or a keyboard should launch its trigger when the CV output is on its stable value. I do the same in the Eloquencer outputs, I give the order to update the CV output and few miliseconds or microseconds after I launch the trigger, this way I can assure that when the oscillator or the VCA receives the trigger the CV value is the one I want.

Fortunately I have the KEYSTEP and I have been able to do some tests. I don't want to blame Arturia (because they are nice guys) but measuring the trigger and CV outputs shows that the CV gets stable like 4 milliseconds after the trigger. I attach a picture that shows this, yellow trigger / blue CV, scale is 2ms, this is a 2 octaves jump. I don't know if my Keystep is up to date, maybe a fw update fix this.

A workaround could be to place a gate delay on the trigger.


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WinterModular
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Many thanks for the feedback @guy-brewer !
I was afraid it could happen with 24ppqn. I have to test it more, if it is not stable I will remove it.


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bitshifter
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@wintermodular Your oscilloscope photo certainly indicates visually what I was hearing!  I was tempted to blame it on the keystep/arturia as well, but this has happened with every sequencer that I've thrown at it... so it may just be that the bulk of sequencers/controllers have this sort of sloppiness.


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Guy Brewer
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@wintermodular no problem! Hope you get it working. Quite a useful feature for me. 

 


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jjad3ll
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HI WM

i'll like to congratulate you for the excellent firmware update really diggin it !

1)its there any plans on adding a function like arpeggios?

2)i think i misunderstood the part of the update were the step mode got a new multiply option since there's only the new second page for divide but no multiply ?

3)any hints on the Mod option you could share ?


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WinterModular
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Many thanks @jjad3ll !

1) It is not planned. I use a much more fun workaround, combining scales and CV in 'CV Q'. Assign 'CV Q' to one track, send an LFO to the CV in and start playing with scale, LFO amplitude and LFO frequency. You can use high frequencies beyond the step timing and some crazy patterns will appear.

2) Yes, the new feature is that you can combine DIV/x mode with the other step mode modes. For example: you can choose a DIV/3 division for a track, and at the same time apply 'random' step mode to the same track.

3) Not yet but soon


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